{"id":1041,"date":"2013-10-25T06:24:20","date_gmt":"2013-10-25T06:24:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.furry.asinglelion.com\/?p=1041"},"modified":"2013-10-25T06:24:20","modified_gmt":"2013-10-25T06:24:20","slug":"lgbt-activist-furries-we-all-are-queer-now","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.asinglelion.com\/actonhe\/?p=1041","title":{"rendered":"LGBT Activist: Furries, We all are Queer Now"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>\n <w:WordDocument>\n  <w:View>Normal<\/w:View>\n  <w:Zoom>0<\/w:Zoom>\n  <w:TrackMoves\/>\n  <w:TrackFormatting\/>\n  <w:PunctuationKerning\/>\n  <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas\/>\n  <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false<\/w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>\n  <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false<\/w:IgnoreMixedContent>\n  <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false<\/w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>\n  <w:DoNotPromoteQF\/>\n  <w:LidThemeOther>EN-US<\/w:LidThemeOther>\n  <w:LidThemeAsian>X-NONE<\/w:LidThemeAsian>\n  <w:LidThemeComplexScript>X-NONE<\/w:LidThemeComplexScript>\n  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We belong with the LGBT. Our zoophile brothers and sisters (and Ts) belong there as well. We\u2019re all different, but we suffer from the same source of discrimination: we all cross, in one way or another, a societal boundary that is arbitrarily taboo.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>I find it distastefully to offensive<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>when advocates for one agenda try to lump us together especially in this example of the identity politics.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>The article shares two major logical fallacies: starting faulty comparisons between sexual orientation and furry fandom and committing a red herring in turning to persecution the LGBT community which has no relation with the furry fandom. The first fallacy goes like this: LGBT are persecuted<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>, Furries are persecuted<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>LGBT = Furry= Queer. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>Furies are not equal to LGBT for Furries ,regardless of orientation, nationality, and religious background, are often falsely persecuted<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>for what we are not, a sexual fandom or fetish, where LGBT are persecuted<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>around the world for what they are an attraction to the same sex.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Furthermore JM <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>engaging in of word obfuscation <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>to link Queer culture, which I believe a radical subset of gay radicalism, on the west coast, and a view not shared by some who are in the gay community. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Furthermore this is not the first time LGBT activist tried to link the furry fandom<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>to LGBT culture. AA certain rodent tried to so in two articles in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flayrah.com\/5201\/questions-russian-furry-fans-about-anti-gay-oppression\">Flayrah Questions for Russian furry fans about anti-gay oppression<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flayrah.com\/5123\/furries-san-francisco-pride-2013\">Furries<\/a><span style=\"font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.flayrah.com\/5123\/furries-san-francisco-pride-2013\"> at San Francisco Pride 2013<\/a>. The common thread in both is the attempt <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>to declare the existence of a common axis between LGBT culture and Furry fandom. Both articles raised issues to where I wonder we are seeing a resurgence of the same<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>Bay area \u201cqueer\u201d activist<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>push when at<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>ConFurence where <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>Mark Merlino advertized in gay and fetish magazines that furry fandom as a place for one to get in touch of one\u2019s sexuality: no holds barred.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>By inviting outside sexual lifestyles, it started the problems and unjust stigma we furries face even today.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>In a comments on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flayrah.com\/3377\/opinion-misconceptions-about-origins-furry-fandom\">Opinion: Misconceptions about the origins of furry fandom<\/a> Calbel summed up the problem : <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 11.25pt; line-height: 18.0pt; background: #EDF3F8;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; color: #5a5a5a;\">\u201c&gt; Are you implying that someone pulling a stunt like this is somehow my fault?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin-bottom: 11.25pt; line-height: 18.0pt; background: #EDF3F8;\"><span style=\"font-size: 9.0pt; font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; color: #5a5a5a;\">I&#8217;m not implying anything; I&#8217;m stating the obvious. Putting ads for the convention in a gay lifestyle magazine will have a natural tendency to attract people who think the convention is about being gay. Promoting porn and sexual lifestyles, when speaking about your convention at other conventions, will have a natural tendency to attract people who think the convention is about porn and sexual lifestyles. And failing or refusing to crack down on sexualized public behavior, when it occurs, sends the message &#8220;this is okay with us&#8221;, thus encouraging more of it, even if that isn&#8217;t the goal.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">To sum problem I have with all there article is the natural tendency for some to think the fandom is a primarily gay fandom.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Furry fandom contains a diverse<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>group, from old to young, LGBT to straight, atheist to religious, liberal to conservative, coming together on the common of love of anthropomorphism<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>in art, literature and fursuting<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Not all LGBT like to be called Queer; nether all LGBT are not furry nor all furries are LGBT, and especially many of us who are Evangelical Christian, Catholic but also furry.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I see this line of equivalence have very little value to the furry fandom and only add more problems to many of us who are Christian Furries and growing number of pre-adolescent<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>to young teen furs who like the fandom for fursuits and cute art but not interested in the sexuality.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>Some have suffered undue hardship by ill-informed parents when the parents discover their child furry interest.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>Furthermore may furries object to zoophiles, zoophiles are not brothers or sisters because we care for welfare of animals and consider zoophiles as a form of animal abuse. Animals cannot give consent nor are physically built for human-animal intercourse. <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I am not say one cannot go to gay pride as a furry <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0<\/span>but remember we are bigger and more diverse that the LGBT community or somebody\u2019s<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>political<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes;\">\u00a0 <\/span>identity hobbyhorse .<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Update: JM replied to my post noting the problem<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">\u201cBut I appreciate your perspective, that the queer community can m=be seen as divisive rather than inclusive, and that many straight furries would prefer not to be lumped in as queer. It\u2019s something I didn\u2019t consider in my article, and a point worth making.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Good on JM<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I need to use my furry disclaimer : The opinions expressed here are the views of the writer (Action) and do not necessarily reflect the views of the neither furry community nor posting of my opinion does not in any way enter a convenient relationship with the furry community. 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