{"id":15,"date":"2009-02-05T23:33:00","date_gmt":"2009-02-06T06:33:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bear-candc.com\/actonhe\/?p=15"},"modified":"2009-02-05T23:33:00","modified_gmt":"2009-02-06T06:33:00","slug":"down-the-fallacy-riddled-rabbit-hole","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.asinglelion.com\/actonhe\/?p=15","title":{"rendered":"Down (the fallacy riddled ) Rabbit Hole."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">I generally like reading Athroize magazine, an on-line Furry rag.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>In this <span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp;<\/span>issue&rsquo;<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>Kris Schnee<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>guest writing for the Down the Rabbit Hole column launches<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>on a tirade in<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>advocacy for science to create &ldquo;anthro-people &ldquo;. <\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><i><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p><lj-cut text=\"Read more... Long Rant\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><i><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">Lux the Raccoon floated aboard the space colony, grinning. Since he&rsquo;d stopped being human, his cybernetics let him in on everything that was going on. The interstellar expeditions, the terraforming, the gengineering that was curing the last major diseases and uplifting a dozen new species&mdash;he felt like he could understand it all.<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And then suddenly, it all went away&hellip;<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&ldquo;Do you dream of a future with anthropomorphics in it? If so, your dreams are in danger. This community spins exotic visions of worlds that have never been, but some of them <i>might<\/i> become real in the future. Bringing some of those ideas to life is going to take more than wishes. We need wealth, science, and freedom to do that. All of those things are under assault. Unless this community is willing to help fight for the future it wants, it may well find that everything it hopes for is nothing but a fantasy.<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;What&rsquo;s this alert about? Consider the usual speculation about how anthro-people might one day get created. We would need genetic engineering, nanotechnology, cybernetics, or some other technology not yet imagined. But technology doesn&rsquo;t pop into existence from nowhere. Realistically, it comes from some combination of entrepreneurs, scholars, and other people whose business it is to study reality. <i>All<\/i> branches of that coalition are under attack. From one direction is the easy target of religious extremism. In <st1:place w:st=\"on\"><st1:country-region w:st=\"on\">America<\/st1:country-region><\/st1:place> there is an ongoing movement to replace science with fundamentalist Christianity, especially to get rid of evolutionary theory.&rdquo; 1.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">Essentially the argument is a Red herring Instead of giving evidence how Fundamentalist Christianity impedes science, he launches into attack of Intelligent Design and the Discovery Institute. Both have very little say about creating athro people.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>Then he launches into a quasi objectivist argument for Capitalism. For the most part the average Christian Fundamentalist is ambivalent about genetic engineer except concern of destroying living embryos for stem cells or abortion.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>Furthermore Genetic engineering and nanotechnology is in it infancy and my not even be feasible use to create or transform individuals into athros. <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">The Biggest problem is, the same science and technology the author thinks can produce<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span>real furries can also prove it impossible. (Thanks to a good friend) <\/font><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&ldquo;Animal-human clones don&apos;t work, <st1:country-region w:st=\"on\"><st1:place w:st=\"on\">U.S.<\/st1:place><\/st1:country-region> company finds<\/font><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">WASHINGTON (Reuters) &#8211; Researchers who tried to use mouse, cow and rabbit eggs to make human clones said on Monday the effort failed to produce workable embryos but added that they showed human cloning should work in principle.<\/font><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">Mixing human and animal cells does not appear to program the egg properly, said Dr. Robert Lanza of Massachusetts-based Advanced Cell Technology.<\/font><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 0.5in\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">Several teams have tried to make animal-human hybrids as a source of embryonic stem cells, the master cells of the body. Because human eggs are scarce &#8212; it requires a surgical procedure to get them from a woman &#8212; some scientists came up with the idea of using animal egg cells&rdquo; 2.<\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">The failure of the Advanced Cell Technology could even make the case for an integral concept of intelligent design: Irreducible complexity.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/span>Behe defines it: A single system which is composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning. (<i><a title=\"Darwin&#39;s Black Box\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Darwin%27s_Black_Box\">Darwin&apos;s Black Box<\/a><\/i> p39 in the 2006 edition). In order to create ah Human-animal hybrid, the DNA sequence need to be changed by add and subtracting proteins. In the experiment the Removed Human nucleus is remove and place into an animal egg. The problem is by removing the human nucleus, certain genetic mechanism is left behind or the animal egg lacks the genetic mechanism to produce a viable human embryo. <\/font><\/p>\n<p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">Simply, religion is not MR. Schnee problem but like perpetual motion machines, turning lead into gold, real athro raccoons are a scientific impossibility. <\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font size=\"3\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">1.<span style=\"mso-spacerun: yes\">&nbsp; <\/span><\/font><\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/anthrozine.com\/clmn\/clm.geusz.15.html\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#800080\" size=\"3\">http:\/\/anthrozine.com\/clmn\/clm.geusz.15.html<\/font><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">2. <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/healthNews\/idUSTRE5114RS20090202?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=healthNews&amp;rpc=22&amp;sp=true\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" color=\"#800080\" size=\"3\">http:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/healthNews\/idUSTRE5114RS20090202?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=healthNews&amp;rpc=22&amp;sp=true<\/font><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">A little added note for the Discovery Institute teachers packet.<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">Should Public Schools Mandate Intelligent Design?<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">No. The priority of the ID movement has long been focused on<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">developing the theory of intelligent design through scientific<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margi\nn: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">research, scientific publication, and other forms of scientific<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">discussion and does not seek to push ID into schools. In today&rsquo;s<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">politically charged climate, attempts to mandate teaching about<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">intelligent design only politicize the theory and will hinder fair and<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">open discussion of the merits of the theory among scholars and<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">within the scientific community. Furthermore, most teachers at<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">the present time do not know enough about ID to teach about it<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">accurately and objectively.<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><o:p><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"margin: 0in 0in 0pt\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\" size=\"3\">So much for MR. Schnee&rsquo;s argument. <\/font><\/p>\n<p><\/lj-cut><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I generally like reading Athroize magazine, an on-line Furry rag.&nbsp; In this &nbsp;issue&rsquo;&nbsp; Kris Schnee&nbsp; guest writing for the Down the Rabbit Hole column launches&nbsp; on a tirade in&nbsp; advocacy for science to create &ldquo;anthro-people &ldquo;. &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Lux the Raccoon floated aboard the space colony, grinning. 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